We are still enrolling patients to participate in this study, which is addressing a different question than TRIANGLE. I think we will learn a lot from this study. For patients who are not interested in participating in this study, we talk about the risks and benefits of ASCT.
One or 2 years ago, I would have strongly encouraged patients who were appropriate candidates to consider transplant in first remission. With the TRIANGLE data, however, and now that we have CAR T-cell therapy, I think it is more important to tailor the recommendation to the individual patient. If a patient is reluctant about ASCT and the associated risks, I do not push it.
If patients want the most aggressive approach associated with the longest remissions, at this moment, before TRIANGLE findings have been adopted into guidelines, I continue to recommend ASCT. For patients who have TP53 mutation, however, we treat with typically less aggressive therapy, as this patient population does not benefit from ASCT. We look forward to more data incorporating BTK inhibitors upfront, particularly for this group of patients, who tend to have a more adverse prognosis.
Do you feel MCL data and clinical trials are important areas of focus for your colleagues?
Dr. LaCasce: Yes. I think it is a rapidly evolving field, which is really exciting. We are seeing data now from the bispecific antibodies in the relapsed/refractory setting. We also need more data using pirtobrutinib for patients who have had BTK inhibitors and compare pirtobrutinib (a non-covalent BTK inhibitor) with the covalent BTK inhibitors.
I would strongly encourage patients to participate in clinical trials so that we can better answer these important questions. When patients go online and read about MCL, they often see a median survival of 3 to 4 years, which is completely outdated. The overall prognosis of MCL has changed dramatically since I have been in the field. Hopefully, survival will continue to improve, and therapies will become more tolerable, as well.